January 31, 2007 Meeting

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September 1, 2006 Meeting

Present: Randy and Dan

What we did:  Listened to the presentation by Mark Hitchcock (streaming video): located at www.calvarychapelcostamesa.com/maranathaprophecy/

Planning ahead:  Finish that presentation; perhaps begin the presentation by Thomas Ice at the same location; discussion.

Orientation:  This semester we plan on examining the Ezekiel 38-39 prophecy specifically, perhaps beginning with that prophecy before we turn to other areas. 

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September 8, 2006 Meeting

Present: Randy, Emiliano, Kit, and Dan.

What we did:  Talked about preferences for the focus of study for the semester.  Came up with some additional ideas; prayed about them; will make some concrete decisions next week.  Power was out throughout campus, so we sat in BH 106 talking, ending in prayer.

We came up with six ideas: (1) Focused study of Ezekiel 38-39; (2) Survey of Prophets; (3) Survey of various viewpoints about the Rapture, Tribulation and Millennium; (4) View a Daniel study video (Emiliano's) and follow-up with discussion; (5) View the remaining Calvary Chapel talks and follow-up with discussion, perhaps combine with idea 4; (6) Do a study of several main symbols or forms used in Scripture, tracing them through Scripture so as to gain a better understanding of them in prophecy.

Planning ahead:  Decide on a specific plan for the semester and begin work on it; perhaps view the Thomas Ice presentation on the Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa site.

Notes:  I am seriously considering moving the website elsewhere because of the high commercialism at 20fr.com, including the obnixious ads they increasingly post to websites.  I'm looking into ourchurch.com as a possibility.

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September 15, 2006 Meeting

Present: Randy, Emiliano, Kit, Marisol, Joseph, Marilyn, and Dan.

What we did:  (1) Decided on a way to get started for the semester: We'll be looking at Jack Kelly's five articles on Ezekiel 38-39 as a springboard into other areas that get our attention.  (2)  Read through Matt. 24, observing who we thought each section was intended to for (who the intended audience was, ultimately).

Planning ahead:  Dan will make copies of the articles and get them out to people, either at the next CCC meeting (Tues. 11:00), or the next PSL meeting (copies will be left in Dan's box in the hallway down from his office).  He will try sending them as an attachment in an email as well.  Dan won't be able to make it to the next PSL meeting; everyone else still plans to meet at the regular time.

Jack Kelly's articles can be located online at:

www.gracethrufaith.com/ikvot/the-battle-of-ezekiel-38-39-part-1/

An alternate Prophecy Scholars League site is being constructed at:

www.ourchurch.com/member/p/psl/

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September 22, 2006 Meeting

Announcement: A folder is in Dan's box in the hallway near his office (BH building); it has copies of the article we'll start looking at.  Randy may have it with him when we comes.  Michelle Brock in the Humanities Division Office has instructions to open the room (BH 106).  Remember that another class comes into that room at 12:00.  We can start in with some in-depth study of those articles next meeting.

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September 29,  2006 Meeting

Present: Randy, Emiliano, Allen, Joseph, Dan.

Discussion:  Read and discussed first of Jack Kelley's articles on Ezekiel 38-39.  Our plan is to look at these four articles, then move on to other related topics the group finds interesting. 

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October 6,  2006 Meeting

Present: Randy, Marilyn, Joseph, Alyson, Kit, Dan.

Discussion: 

1.  Read and discussed second of Jack Kelley's articles on Ezekiel 38-39.  We'll tackle article #4 next week, and the last article the week following.

2.  Discussed the idea of viewing the six-part Maranatha Prophecy series (sponsored by Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa some week ago). (See Sept. 1 notes.) 

3.  Also discussed idea of having a larger invitation to their viewing (DLI, NPS, CSUMB, and MPC).

4.  We may seek out a new location for the remainder of the semester (if Dan can find one) so that we don't have to leave the room right at 12:00.  As it is now, we have another class coming in, and they're waiting patiently at the door for the noon hour to strike.  We may find a room in the library.  It probably won't be internet-connected, but they do have all the normal audio-visual equipment.

Announcements:

1.  Remember that Campus Crusade for Christ will be having two more Arise praise and worship nights this semester.  The next one is on Nov. 4th at 7:30pm, and the one after that is on Dec. 2nd at 7:30 pm.  Both are held in the Music Hall on campus here at MPC.

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October 13,  2006 Meeting

Present: Randy, Alyson, Emiliano, Joseph, Carla, Dan.

Announcement:  We're changing the meeting location!  Because the students coming into the next class in BH107 really need to get in there on the hour, we thought it might be better if we met somewhere else, perhaps where we don't have to get out right on the hour.  So we went down the library and reserved a small conference room (208).

Next week, then, we'll start meeting in the library, in one of those conference rooms on the main floor.

Discussion: 

1.  Didn't get to the third article of Kelley's.  Instead, we discussed two main ideas: (1) Implications of the Gog Invasion occurring soon; and (2) the theory of a post-rapture scenario for the Gog Invasion.

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October 20,  2006 Meeting

Present: Emiliano, Randy, Alyson, Joseph, Nicole, Dan.

Discussion: 

1.  Jack Kelly's Part 3.

2.  Using idioms to describe what the prophet saw in his vision or dream.

3.  WW III has already begun, we surmised.

4.  Approaches to discussing differences and commonalities with muslims.

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October 27,  2006 Meeting

Present: Emiliano, Randy, Alyson, Joseph, Marilyn, Dan.

Discussion: 

1.  Jack Kelly's Part 4, Conclusion.

2.  Alberto R. Rivera, Ex-Jesuit Priest, who died around 1997 (Emiliano brought a comic reader about the inner workings of the Catholilc church and the beginnings of Islam).

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November 3,  2006 Meeting

Present: Kit, Randy, Joseph, Marilyn, Dan.

Discussion: 

1.  Psalm 83 as a possible prophetic text that coincides with Ezekiel 38-39, and three questions regarding its relationship to other events past or future.

Reasons Pslam 83 may be linked to Ezekiel 38, 39:

1.  Psalm 83 describes the events in Ezekiel 38-39.
 a.  conspire against your people. v.3
 b.  want them eliminated. v.4
 c.  one plot/one alliance. v.5
 d.  destroyed  with fire.  v.14
 e.  destruction alludes to mountain. v.14
 f.  destroyed with a storm. v.15.

2.   Psalm 83 describes many of the same enemies in Ezekiel 38-39.
 a.  Edom. v.6
 b.  Ishmaelites. v.6
 c.  Moab. v.6
 d.  Hagrites. v.6
 e.  Gebal. v.7
 f.  Ammon. v.7
 g.  Amalek. v.7
 h.  Philistia. v.7
 i.  Tyre. v.7
 j.  Assyria. v.8
 k.  descendents of Lot. v.8

3.  Psalm 83 describes the dynamics of warfare involved in Ezekiel 38-39.
 a.  as Midian. v.9
 b.  as Sisera and Jabin. v.9
 c.  Oreb and Zeeb. v.11

4.  Psalm 83 describes the same motives of the attackers in Ezekiel 38-39.
 a.  erase memory of Israel. v.4
 b.  take possession of the pasturelands of God. v.12. (allusion from past enemies' motives)

5.  Psalm 83 describes the motive of God's defense in Ezekiel 38-39.
 a.  so that men will seek your name, O Lord. v.16
 b.  they be ashamed.
 c.  they should know that "you, whose name is the Lord -- that you alone are the most High
  over all the earth"  v.18.

Questions:
1.  Could this refer to another past event?
 a.  possibly II Chron. 20?  Problem: the detail does not correpsond to II Chron. 20.

2.  Could it refer to another, yet future event?
 a.  possibly a battle  within the Armageddon campaign.
 b.  it does not  rule out the possibility of a prophetic double reference.

3.  If it does refer to Ezekiel 38-39 invasion, why isn't there more correspondence in the nations identified?
 a.  while there is a significant amount of correspondence already, what we notice is that:
      1.  it could be adding detail to the Ezekiel references to "the many peoples with you,"
   and "the coastlands," and
      2. the reference to the mountains and bordering lands may indicate how near some of these attackers will be.  The focus is on the "descendants of Lot" (Ps. 83:8), but  it includes "even Assyria"  (v.8); a nearby focus, but far countries are included.

Other scholars who identify Psalm 83 as being prophetic and specifically corresponding to Ezekiel 38-39:

1. Grant Jeffereys cited Psalm 83 as descriptive of Ezekiel 38 in his weekly prophecy program on TBN, Bible Prophecy Revealed (TBN, Nov. 15, 2006).

2.  Hal Lindsey does an analysis of Psalm 83 in his weekly prophecy program, The Hal Lindsey Report (Aug. 6, 2006).  He observed the timing of the book of Pslams recently discovered in a bog in Ireland and the events going on in Israel right now, a coalition of nations coming against Israel, seeking their destruction.

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November 12,  2006 Meeting

Present: Emiliano, Randy, Alyson, Joseph, Marilyn, Dan.

Discussion: 

1.  Study:  Why Study Prophecy?

Other items:

1.  Handed out the Minor Prophet Survey study.

2.  Thanksgiving break next week.   Will meet the following week.

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December 1,  2006 Meeting

Present: Emiliano, Randy, Alyson, Joseph, Marilyn, Dan; guest: Jackie.

Discussion: 

1.  Principles of Interpretation of Prophecy: examined some advanced by David L. Cooper and Roy Zuck.

Looking ahead:

1.  Will meet in BH 106 (where we started this semester) for an end-of-year fellowship time; we plan on listening to Thomas Ice talk about the concept of a rapture, as taught throughout Scripture and history.